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A Conversation Between Me & a Military Recruiter

   Posted by:AUDIOMIND


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    It all started when I received an unsolicited email from this recruiter, who suggested I join the ranks of the inept……….in which I immediately responded that he was nuts to suggest that anyone with even a trivial grasp of current events [and past] and the facts, would even remotely consider joining the ranks of the inept and ignorant.

    Here is his response to that, my response after and his final response [all unedited], which I will leave at that, allowing him to soak it all in……

    [spam]RE: What can you do for todays Army, This is what we can do for you![/spam]

    SGT. Daniel Dunn said:


    Dear ‘ME’,

    Well I thank you for your non support but I do not support the war in Iraq but being there 2 times and to Afganistan once I do support the troops that are deployed. I do also believe that the politicians were wrong to send us to Iraq but if you do not like the government or the freedom that you so treasure please move out of this country like I said before I do not support the war in Iraq but the troops have no choice but to be there. And further more I personally do not think that the military budget is bloated because I know how much the avrege soldier gets paid and for the protection that we give to you I think that the military and police should get paid even more. Why you may ask its because we put our lives and families on the line everyday so that you can go to college and live your life without ever knowing how many threats this country receves every single day that CNN and MSNBC never even know about witch in turn the public never knows about it’s a lil thing called homeland security witch falls under the militarys budget. And Chris I will remove you from my list but just know that it is up to soldiers like me and ones that have died before me to give you your freedom. We soldiers are a part of something bigger than you could ever imagine. Have a safe and prosperious life and thank you for you contribution to society as a whole. Us in the MILITARY thank you for your trust in our government.

    Sincerely,
    SGT. Daniel Dunn

    Audiomind [ME] said:


    Look……..I certainly did not mean to come off as an ass in the last email,
    however, this whole fiasco in Iraq has gotten me in an uproar.

    The truth of the matter is, is that on a personal level all soldiers have the ability to make a conscious choice………..to go or not to go and claim conscientious objector status. To some that may seem cowardly and silly, but it is fairly obvious that the whole Iraq debacle will lead to a conclusion we have already seen. [vietnam, but worse] Why die for a cause that is not noble……..that has been proven to be unjustified and based on falsehoods and fabrications?

    Afghanistan was more then justified, but the Iraq invasion was one of the worst mistakes on record, IMO.

    And no, I will not move to another country based on claims of how my freedoms are being protected. The country needed absolutely no protection from Saddam, BUT FROM TERRORISTS……which we helped create during the Cold War and subsequently ‘agitated’ after the first Gulf War. Why should I high tail it out of the probably the best country in the world……[since we are speaking in cliches?]………especially when I see serious issues, american society, corrupt government and politicians increasingly deteriorating into absurdity, with no sense of accountability or restraint?

    I’m here to claim FOUL…..and to help deter the doomed path we are on………and I will not run away, but CONFRONT the madness I am witness to in BIG & CORRUPT GOVERNMENT…..and that resides in the minds of these nutty Neo_Cons:
    http://www.newamericancentury.org/defensenationalsecurity.htm

    These two links will forward you to two long threads that reflect just some of the reasons why I feel that we as US citizens are being betrayed by our own government in modern times [take the time if you're serious]:
    http://spins.us/FORUM/viewtopic.php?t=13078
    http://spins.us/FORUM/viewtopic.php?t=8699&postdays=0&postorder=asc&star
    t=120

    And no……I’m not a liberal……….but a conservative, if you can believe that, with libertarian leanings.

    And yes the ‘War Budget’ is far too obese considering that the DOD 2005 budget is well over $420 BILLION, which is a large percentage of GDP, [which is insane], especially considering that we have MUCH MORE pressing needs at home. [Katrina and Rita come to the top of my head.]
    http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/defbudget/fy2005/

    If the DOD and Homeland Security were really concerned about the American People [Katrina demonstrated the fallacy of that], we would be handling domestic issues………like patrolling our borders in a SERIOUS FASHION. The 100s of 1000s of illegals who come across the border every year are proof enough that we are far from secure, yet where is the bloated and overgrown government on these issues?

    NOWHERE!!!!!

    Sad to say, but the current political atmosphere is corrupting this country and bankrupting its finances, soul, spirit, founding principles and its future generations, for a supposedly noble [*cough*], but lost cause.

    History is proof enough of that.

    You find me a war worth fighting and dying for…….for true freedom and democracy, and not some pipe dream fantasy conjured up with false claims of WMD, and I’ll fight the battle with absolutely no fear or hesitation.

    ME

    SGT Daniel Dunn replied:


    Dear ‘ME’,

    I can see where you are coming from but like I said I agree with Afganistan but not Iraq. But in being true to myself and my fellow soldiers I would go back to Iraq for a third time or afganistan for a second and lay my life on the line so that just one of my friends could come home to his family. I will not die for this country but for the soldiers who protect it I will gladly give my life. I do agree with you that the government is corrupt and actions need to be taken to force government officals to be held accountable for their actions. And if you are willing to stand up to a corrupt government then you are willing to fight a war that most men are afraid of fighting. I do also agree with you that we as a country need to take care of what is going on here instead of being the worlds police force. But the thing I don’t understand is how you can say that the DOD budget is bloated when the Air Force and the Navy are both being down sized and the Army cant even reach its recruting goal. I do thank you for your opinion it is your right to voice that opinion but out of all the soldiers I talk to most don’t agree with the whole Iraq situation. They are there for the same reason I would go back in an instant and that is for the fellow soldiers to watch over them and make sure they do everything they can to bring everyone home alive. Yes there are the things we cant control but we do everything we can for eachother. And on a final note I apaloigze to you if I came off as rude or not concerned of your feelings. I do also agree with you on most of the facts you have brought up but unlike you I have a job to do so I must keep going on I am a soldier and it was a choice I made and a life style I will always cherish. I love my country and my profession but do not agree with the way things are run sometimes.

    SGT Daniel Dunn

    DANIEL.DUNN2@USAREC.ARMY.MIL

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    I think he already knows what youre saying, hun. But he can’t just back out of a awr he signed up for, especially when he knows a new house and car rely on it. Thats why a lot of the guys who are over there are over there. A while back they didnt even know they were going to Iraq. Like with my friend whitney’s husband, he was told they would probably not even need him and now he’s spent at least 4 years all over the middle east watching his freinds get their heads blown and chopped off and having nightmares about the people he had to kill in his own defense… Just so he could buy a house for his new wife and baby.
    Thats how the shit goes.
    You either be lucky and have rich parents who will pay your way through a good college then get a highly paid career (or be black and get a special scholarship for being black), or you take the “easy” way out and join the army.
    A lot of the people who join don’t know nearly as much what you do of the US government, hun. I know a couple guys who went just because like my friends husband, theyw ere told they most likely wouldnt even have to do anything but would get paid after 3 years, so they joined, and either still havent got paid or only got paid a miniscule amount of what they were promised, and for what? Those 2 guys I knew just wanted a car and some turn tables.. now theyre dead.
    I also think its fucked up how they claim “homeland security”, when like you said: where were they when there were people (including babies) dying on the streets in new orleans? where are they when tons of illegal immigrants come sneaking in and taking over jobs the legal american citizens need?

    October 25th, 2005 at 5:00 PM
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    Also take note of the contradictions within the two emails.

    October 25th, 2005 at 5:19 PM
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    I noticed where he says “I agree with Afganistan but not Iraq” (dont know if thats the ones you noticed or not).
    Especially when it has become so very apparent over time that this war is not about fighting terrorists.. Like I said to that one guy on a forum “If this was about terrorism, then how come Suddame was caught so quick yet they can’t find Osam, who is 84338 levels BELOW Suddames rank?”
    I dont remember Suddame leading a bunch of guys to hijack planes and ram them into shit in America…

    October 25th, 2005 at 6:15 PM
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    Well, it strikes me that if he is so concerned about his fellow soldiers, yet disagrees with the war and wants to fight for people in Americas freedom, he could always stage a military coup and get rid of someone who rigged an election to win it and is probably the single biggest threat to world peace since WW2… ;)
    hmmm-not too serious a suggestion that, Im being frivoulous.

    October 25th, 2005 at 6:52 PM

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